tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post5325914254421026789..comments2023-11-29T01:47:52.439-07:00Comments on clarity2010: Shuffling off this mortal coil, part deuxRelax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-83445833448580311932009-05-10T16:04:00.000-06:002009-05-10T16:04:00.000-06:00Whilst you're pondering upon the guillotine, I...Whilst you're pondering upon the guillotine, I've some information...<br>It's often said that the device was invented by the eponymous Doctor Guillotine. In fact, such a device was lopping the heads off yorkshiremen from the year 1286 (maybe earlier, but that is the first written record) in the town of Halifax. There was a similar device in Scotland, known as the Scottish Maiden. <br>http://www.yorkshirehistory.com/gibbet/index.htmsoubriquethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01151288534629885195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-78071700676387519052009-05-10T16:50:00.000-06:002009-05-10T16:50:00.000-06:00Being drawn and quartered was a part of the type o...Being drawn and quartered was a part of the type of execution you mention where a person's was disemboweled and then the bowels being barbecued. This was only reserved for crimes worse than murder ie. treason. The criminal was "drawn" to the place of execution on a type of sled called a hurdle. He was hanged and cut down while still alive, disemboweled and his entrails were burned before his eyes. As if that were not enough the condemned man was then cut into quarters often this was done by being hitched to horses and spurred in four directions. This was done in England from 1283 to 1867. Finally I have something to contribute! I LOVE the picture you chose for my blog on your blog of the week. Design my blog now would you? Awesome!ettarosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13178737973585191754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-45109609046773662142009-05-11T14:14:00.000-06:002009-05-11T14:14:00.000-06:00We could go into partnership on a project - your m...We could go into partnership on a project - your methods of capital punishment, my graveyards?A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04709794851766685322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-71160852906129212832009-05-11T15:37:00.000-06:002009-05-11T15:37:00.000-06:00No, I retract that suggestion.No, I retract that suggestion.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04709794851766685322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-78090866394412975412009-05-12T08:52:00.000-06:002009-05-12T08:52:00.000-06:00@Soubriquet - I had come across the Scottish maide...@Soubriquet - I had come across the Scottish maiden. But it was described as more of a blunt force trauma that crushed the neck (though sometimes to the extent of depapitation.) And I found out early on the actual device later known as the guillotine was used much before France "invented" it. I don't know why this stuff is interesting to me. Why: the subject of another post. :)<br><br>I am still reading your link. Interesting. I guess I should not be surprised that Halifax is really in Scotland. :) I seems we and Canada share all of your names at some place or another. A. tells me you also have a Southampton even. :)<br><br>More comment after I have read all that URL.Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-26088394130468459632009-05-12T10:11:00.000-06:002009-05-12T10:11:00.000-06:00@Ettarose - Thank you for that. I remember the ter...@Ettarose - Thank you for that. I remember the term drawing and quartering but had only associated it with the horse thing. That's very interesting.Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-16084733288447602972009-05-12T10:15:00.000-06:002009-05-12T10:15:00.000-06:00@Soubriquet - I am still reading the fascinating Y...@Soubriquet - I am still reading the fascinating Yorkshire history. Did you read the part about if the guy is being executed for stealing a bull, the rope is attached to the (or another) bull and the animal is then driven so as to pull out the pin and let the blade drop? Now that is truly an eye for an eye. Sort of like our Descartes' (I think) telling us about if you injure someone in a car accident, then they get to run over you too. This is a cool subject. Sorry to see this side of me oozing out. :)Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-24707398098242815612009-05-12T13:14:00.000-06:002009-05-12T13:14:00.000-06:00Actually, I remember reading about the death of Wi...Actually, I remember reading about the death of William Wallace and thought they'd gone overboard in violence in the movie (let's ignore the FRIGHTENING historical accuracies), only to find out they had actually lessoned it. <br><br>It occurs to me that serial killers might be a modern phenomena if only because prior to the 1800s, they could be gainfully employed as executioners.<br><br>On the other hand, given my take on many violent criminals, I feel confident I could pull the switch with a clear conscience.<br><br>It would probably be difficult to explain that combination to an outsider (i.e., someone who didn't live in my brain).Stephanie Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17772217449161603561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-69794559506006564142009-05-13T11:02:00.000-06:002009-05-13T11:02:00.000-06:00Ah. Halifax is in England, not Scotland, but confu...Ah. Halifax is in England, not Scotland, but confusingly is also in Nova Scotia. There are probably several more Halifaxes but none in Scotland. The Handley-Page Halifax was a second world war bomber, like the Wellington but not very much, because the Wellington had a very clever and strong geodesic framed fuselage.....<br>I read elsewhere that sometimes, in Halifax, they let the jury, or the plaintiffs wronged by the condemned person , all hold separate cords which would release the chopper... That way "justice" is done by the people, rather than by the state executioner.<br>The truth or otherwise of these stories is not easy to verify, unless I go spend a long time in the West Yorkshire archives. <br>William Wallace? Scots wha hae wi' Wallace bled....<br>"Following the trial, on 23 August 1305, Wallace was taken from the hall, stripped naked and dragged through the city at the heels of a horse to the Elms at Smithfield. He was hanged, drawn and quartered — strangled by hanging but released whilst he was still alive, emasculated, eviscerated and his bowels burnt before him, beheaded, then cut into four parts. His preserved head was placed on a pike atop London Bridge. It was later joined by the heads of the brothers, John and Simon Fraser. His limbs were displayed, separately, in Newcastle upon Tyne, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Stirling, and Aberdeen."soubriquethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01151288534629885195noreply@blogger.com