tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post8021646747881554076..comments2023-11-29T01:47:52.439-07:00Comments on clarity2010: RootsRelax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-83746779976163212352009-04-17T05:30:00.000-06:002009-04-17T05:30:00.000-06:00I think you said some time ago that the European U...I think you said some time ago that the European Union may be more like the United States. I think I may even have shouted you down at the time, which is most unusual. Still, I can see that there may be enough similarities to make some comparisons, even though we haven't got as far as a federal Europe.A.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04709794851766685322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-27979568102470385182009-04-17T06:21:00.000-06:002009-04-17T06:21:00.000-06:00Max. I'm NOT going to post about Canadians bur...Max. I'm NOT going to post about Canadians burning (or not) down the White House - I'm going to TALK about it. Soon. To let the cat out of the bag a little - I REALLY wanted to find that it was Canadians but I'm struggling. One final question though - what do you call the inhabitants of the 13 colonies that fought against the British in the Amercian revolution? As a group, how do people gernally refer to them?<br>CHEERS!Canuckleheadhttp://www.canucklehead.ca/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-57113881817908857662009-04-17T08:08:00.000-06:002009-04-17T08:08:00.000-06:00@A. - Ah, but you have already gone that far. Not ...@A. - Ah, but you have already gone that far. Not yet as intrusive as ours, true, but a fledgling federal state that is beginning already to stretch its tentacles. You will see.<br><br>I intend to use the EU in future posts for other comparisons. There are parallels.<br><br>Ummm.... they still allow you to use the pound sterling? Or no? Heh.Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-26303751933010062402009-04-17T08:20:00.000-06:002009-04-17T08:20:00.000-06:00@Canucklehead - Well, good. I'm sure you can f...@Canucklehead - Well, good. I'm sure you can figure out a way to talk people into believing it wasn't the British. Go for it. As for myself, I am busy preparing a declaration of war since you broke the blog treaty. You can read that on your podcast if Hong King ever responds to your audio needs.<br><br>What did the colonialists call themselves? Or what do we today call them in retrospect?<br><br>As a group, we call them colonialists. At the time, they called themselves Virginians or Georgians. The British called the entire area of land, from their perspective, America, and all the people who lived there, collectively, Amercians. Americans didn't call themselves Americans until after the revolution. Unless they were in France. Then they would probably say they were from America. Probably. Who knows?<br><br>I know that clouded in your poorly constructed question is hidden some sort of Canadian agenda. If you think colonialists thought of themselves as one country and called themselves Americans I vote that you are wrong, just from reading the things the colonialists wrote back then. Thomas Jefferson would NEVER have thought of himself as an American - probably not even after the revolution. He was a Virginian.<br><br>Somehow I get the feeling I am giving you too much credit for a deep question. You are much too superficial to have prompted this long response. What are you REALLY trying to say?Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-37101276763912103672009-04-17T09:20:00.000-06:002009-04-17T09:20:00.000-06:00The first British colony (that failed) you were th...The first British colony (that failed) you were thinking of was Roanoke. I believe the British largely described the American colonies as "the colonies" both before and after the revolutionary war and, to a lesser degree, even after the defeat in the war of 1812, kind of like the Southerners in the way they describe "the war between the states"<br><br>I don't have a real issue with your post except the confederation you were pointing out (but not describing) was after the revolutionary war, not before. If you jump to the federal government before you get to it, you'll miss a key era that drove a great many of the federal decisions that went into the constitution. <br><br>And the colonies had gotten together before to help fight a war, the French and Indian war. Many of the "injustices" the colonists complained about were the imposition of taxes already imposed on British subjects on the original island put in place to help pay for the war they helped fight over here.<br><br>I'm not saying there weren't injustices or that the colonies had no right to leave (in fact, I'm notoriously unsympathetic to imperial actions, especially when they impinge on native peoples - but that doesn't apply here since the transplants were the ones that revolted). I'm just saying I disagree that the situation was as black and white as you paint it (or, in fact, our eloquent founding fathers painted it). <br><br>Can you tell my mother was a history major, speciallizing in the revolutionary period?Stephanie Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17772217449161603561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-22511277790449539682009-04-17T09:46:00.000-06:002009-04-17T09:46:00.000-06:00Can you tell I don't have spell check when it ...Can you tell I don't have spell check when it comes to words like specializing?Stephanie Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17772217449161603561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-33005720854216894812009-04-17T10:17:00.000-06:002009-04-17T10:17:00.000-06:00Oooh, you guys are good. I am going to enjoy this ...Oooh, you guys are good. I am going to enjoy this ride. How did Canucklehead get into this? I think something is going on.ettarosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13178737973585191754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-1024326225840343122009-04-17T10:50:00.000-06:002009-04-17T10:50:00.000-06:00@Stephanie - Yes, I used a premature picture on th...@Stephanie - Yes, I used a premature picture on this post. But I promise I won't jump ahead and leave anything out. Actually, I thought I was going to get a little farther in my "history" recap and cover the Articles of Confederation, but the post was already so long that I just stopped. I just left the picture. Sorry.<br><br>You know a lot about history - congrats to your mom, and to her transferring her knowledge to YOU!<br><br>Yes, Roanoke was a mystery story all by itself, wasn't it? The others came back the next year and they were all dead. No, not dead - just GONE! But one must assume the Native Americans revoked their visas.<br><br>This is going to take a while. I won't leave anything out on purpose - you must help when I do, or when I gloss over something important. Then, at the end (if it ever arrives!) we can get back to today's world and what we should be or could be doing that we aren't. But in order to bring the others along with us, a little history won't hurt.<br><br>Thank you so much for your input, K?Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-15472603929329405632009-04-17T11:01:00.000-06:002009-04-17T11:01:00.000-06:00@Stephanie - Thank you for reminding us about what...@Stephanie - Thank you for reminding us about what the British referred to as their "Seven Years War" (What we call the "French and Indian War".)<br><br>Although certainly some colonial militias fought with the British, I'm not sure I would agree that qualified for a real "uniting of the colonies". Or do you think there were enough colonial participants to qualify? I don't know. Maybe. I did read where George Washington fought as a leader of a Virginia militia unit under British command. I think he got angry about the disparity in pay between British officers and colonial officers and took his ball and went home. After getting his butt kicked at the French Fort Duquesne. No? Or was that a different war? I don't want to mislead anyone. And I don't want to look it up either. So I am torn. :)Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-25242889788872454012009-04-17T11:22:00.000-06:002009-04-17T11:22:00.000-06:00@Ettarose - I think it is cool that you are coming...@Ettarose - I think it is cool that you are coming here and participating in this. I appreciate your company. A lot. Who knows about Canucklehead? He works for the Ontario phone company. It could be anything. Except an actual long-term thought. :)Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-72247986141089644232009-04-17T12:13:00.000-06:002009-04-17T12:13:00.000-06:00The post is most edifying, at least we have one th...The post is most edifying, at least we have one thing in common with you, the British rule. Looking forward to the next instalmentfrostygirlhttp://frostygirl.bundublog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-68054266076145951792009-04-17T18:22:00.000-06:002009-04-17T18:22:00.000-06:00Croatoan.Croatoan.soubriquethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01151288534629885195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-59460498214176206742009-04-17T20:06:00.000-06:002009-04-17T20:06:00.000-06:00@Frostygirl - Well, thank you! I am looking forwar...@Frostygirl - Well, thank you! I am looking forward to your comments when we get closer to the end of this discussion and start talking about what the role of our federal government should be in addressing some of our major problems. I value your political and economic opinions (and admire your courage for the way you speak out in your own country) so I hope you won't get bored with me before I get to the end. :)<br><br>I enjoyed your post today, btw, about the novel way Congo is trying to solve their food problem. I hope it works. Take care.Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-16286606528725555522009-04-17T20:58:00.000-06:002009-04-17T20:58:00.000-06:00@Soubriquet - Once again you amaze me with the bre...@Soubriquet - Once again you amaze me with the breadth of your incredible store of knowledge. Is there NO subject for which you don't have SOME facts squirreled away in the inner recesses of that glorious data base? :)<br><br>To those for whom your one-word comment was meaningless (and your keeping a comment to one word is itself an incredible feat) let me try to edify, admittedly with a little outside help on the dates:<br><br>As mentioned in the post, and added to by Stephanie, there was a British attempt at establishing a settlement in Virginia before the successful one at Jamestown. It was called Roanoke. It consisted of 117 men, women and children, people placed there in the summer of 1587. Then the settlers were left alone. They were not revisited until 1590 (no ships being available due to Queen Elizabeths war with Spain), and the settlement was abandoned by that time - a still-unsolved mystery. The likelihood that they were removed and enslaved or killed by the Native Americans is admittedly greater than, say, them being transported out to another planet by space visitors.<br><br>Anyway, one of the few things left by those vanished settlers was the carving of a word on a tree by one of them.<br><br>That word was "CROATOAN" (the name of a nearby Indian Tribe.)<br><br>You never cease to amaze me, my friend. :)<br><br>[Note to readers: if you would like to read a more complete account of the enigma of the vanished settlement of Roanoke, I found <a href="http://nativeamericanfirstnationshistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/croatoan_and_the_mystery_of_roanok" rel="nofollow">this article</a> very enlightening.]Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-62341794627359669742009-04-17T21:56:00.000-06:002009-04-17T21:56:00.000-06:00By the way, I knew without looking not only what S...By the way, I knew without looking not only what Sobriquet meant, but that the first British colonist BORN on American soil was Virginia Dare.<br><br>The French and Indian War was the first French/British war that started in the Americas, prompted by the colonists needs and lead to debts. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia </a> has a decent write-up on it but it doesn't say much about the makeup of either side (British troops vs. colonist militias). There was more <a href="http://www.militaryheritage.com/7ywart.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Stephanie Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17772217449161603561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6498413430541424627.post-15121303387571328162009-04-18T21:15:00.000-06:002009-04-18T21:15:00.000-06:00Virginia Dare. Weird how things stuck in the back ...Virginia Dare. Weird how things stuck in the back of your mind for years suddenly resurface. Thank you for the prompt. :)<br><br>I recently read a good biography of George Washington which recounted his service in the war with the French and their allies. I went back to that part of the book and that's where I got the part about him being disgruntled with the disparity of pay between regular British officers and American colonial militia officers. A very good read by Joseph J. Ellis called "His Excellency". Ellis is also the Pulizer Prize winning author "Founding Brothers". (Which I will be referring to at length shortly when I drone on about who the actual "founding fathers" were. There were only a handful. By my definition anyway. :)<br><br>Your cites are also interesting, Stephanie.Relax Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01051381168322495999noreply@blogger.com